Ken Holtzman vs. Lou Thuman — Career Comparison

Ken Holtzman
Silent GenerationMissouriThrows LeftBats RightNorth AmericaChicago CubsNational LeagueStarting PitcherAll-Star
Lou Thuman
Greatest GenerationMarylandThrows RightBats RightNorth AmericaWashington SenatorsAmerican LeagueRelief Pitcher

Ken Holtzman built a career as a starting pitcher and Lou Thuman as a reliever — different jobs with different demands — but on the metrics that apply to both, a comparison is still worth making. Ken Holtzman posted stronger surface numbers — ERA 3.49 and WHIP 1.314 compared to 12 and 2.667 for Lou Thuman. By the career numbers, Ken Holtzman had the better of this cross-role comparison — though era context would sharpen the verdict.

Pitching Stats for Ken Holtzman and Lou Thuman

Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
15
15
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
2
2
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
451
1.42
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
5
5
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
410
1.29
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
174
0.55
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
150
0.47
Lou Thuman
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
1
1
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
53.7
53.7
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
90.91
90.91
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
127
0.4
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
31
0.1
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
3
0.01
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
1111
3.49
Lou Thuman
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
12
12
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
3.49
3.49
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
12
12
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
3.55
3.55
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
9.13
9.13
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
4.02
4.02
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
5.78
5.78
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0.254
0.254
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0.333
0.333
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
8602
27
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
27
27
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
2867.1
9
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
9
9
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
2787
8.75
Lou Thuman
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
15
15
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
8.75
8.75
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
15
15
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 9 Innings
249
0.78
Lou Thuman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0.78
0.78
Lou Thuman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0.55
0.55
Lou Thuman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
910
2.86
Lou Thuman
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
9
9
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 9 Innings
70
0.22
Lou Thuman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
2.86
2.86
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
9
9
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
1601
5.03
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
1
1
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
5.03
5.03
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
1
1
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
3.55
3.55
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0.2
0.2
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0.876
0.876
Lou Thuman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
1.111
1.111
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 9 Innings
98
0.31
Lou Thuman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 9 Innings
49
0.15
Lou Thuman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 9 Innings
2
0.01
Lou Thuman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
12069
37.88
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
54
54
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
18
0.06
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
2
2
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
1273
4
Lou Thuman
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
17
17
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
4
4
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
17
17
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 9 Innings
76
0.24
Lou Thuman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 9 Innings
47
0.15
Lou Thuman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
116
0.36
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
1.289
1.289
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
2.667
2.667
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
10987
34.49
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
45
45
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
2.82
2.82
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
3.4
3.4
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0.278
0.278
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0.341
0.341
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 9 Innings
37.88
37.88
Lou Thuman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
54
54

Fielding Stats for Ken Holtzman and Lou Thuman

Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
15
15
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
2
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
451
1.42
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
5
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
410
1.29
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
8601
27
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
2867
9
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
117
0.37
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
3
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
471
1.48
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
3
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 9 Innings
26
0.08
Lou Thuman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
1
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
614
1.93
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
7
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
588
1.85
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
6
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
95.77
95.77
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
85.71
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
1.304
1.304
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
1.2
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
90.91
90.91
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
27
0.08
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 9 Innings
0

Hitting Stats for Ken Holtzman and Lou Thuman

Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
15
15
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
2
2
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PA
456
411.43
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PAverified
5
1500
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PA
665
600
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
2
600
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PA
607
547.67
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PAverified
2
600
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.163
0.163
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.438
0.438
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
99
89.32
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
77
69.47
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
19
17.14
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
1
0.9
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
2
1.8
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
22
19.85
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.222
0.222
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.003
0.003
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.02
0.02
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
22.39
20.21
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
126
113.68
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
116
104.66
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.186
0.186
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.208
0.208
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.393
0.393
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.045
0.045
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.135
0.135
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.276
0.276
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.223
0.223
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
35
31.58
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
34
30.68
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
67
60.45
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
13.16
11.88
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
-0.2
-60
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
17
15.34
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 600 PA
170
153.38
Lou Thuman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
3.91
3.91
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.1
0.1
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
40
36.09
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
1
0.9
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 600 PA
11
9.92
Lou Thuman
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Holtzman
Career
Per 600 PA
Lou Thuman
Career
Per 600 PA