Horace Helmbold vs. Joe Murray — Career Comparison

Horace Helmbold
Pre-GenerationalPennsylvaniaNorth AmericaPhiladelphia AthleticsAmerican AssociationRelief Pitcher
Joe Murray
Greatest GenerationPennsylvaniaThrows LeftBats LeftNorth AmericaPhiladelphia AthleticsAmerican LeagueStarting Pitcher

Joe Murray built a career as a starting pitcher and Horace Helmbold as a reliever — different jobs with different demands — but on the metrics that apply to both, a comparison is still worth making. Joe Murray posted stronger surface numbers — ERA 5.7 and WHIP 1.833 compared to 14.14 and 3.286 for Horace Helmbold. By the career numbers, Joe Murray had the better of this cross-role comparison — though era context would sharpen the verdict.

Pitching Stats for Horace Helmbold and Joe Murray

Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
1
1
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
1
1
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
1
1.29
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
8
2.4
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
1
1.29
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
2
0.6
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
1
1.29
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
3
0.9
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
100
100
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
25
25
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
1
1.29
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
11
14.14
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
19
5.7
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
14.14
14.14
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
5.7
5.7
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
14.46
14.46
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
5.46
5.46
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
4.71
4.71
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
5
5
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
0.447
0.447
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0.279
0.279
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
21
27
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
90
27
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
7
9
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
30
9
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
17
21.86
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
34
10.2
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
21.86
21.86
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
10.2
10.2
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
1
0.3
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
0.3
0.3
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
0.13
0.13
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
6
7.71
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
21
6.3
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
7.71
7.71
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
6.3
6.3
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
3
3.86
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
8
2.4
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
3.86
3.86
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
2.4
2.4
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
3
3
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
1
1
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
1.286
1.286
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
0.967
0.967
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
1
1.29
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
1
0.3
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
44
56.57
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
143
42.9
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
3
0.9
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
15
19.29
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
20
6
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
19.29
19.29
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
6
6
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
3.286
3.286
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
1.833
1.833
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
38
48.86
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
122
36.6
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
15
15
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
2.5
2.5
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
0.486
0.486
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0.292
0.292
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
56.57
56.57
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
42.9
42.9

Fielding Stats for Horace Helmbold and Joe Murray

Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
1
1
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
1
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
1
1.29
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
8
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
21
27
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
7
9
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
1
1.29
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
3
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
2
2.57
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
7
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
1
1.29
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
4
5.14
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
10
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
3
3.86
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
10
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
75
75
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
100
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
3
3
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
1.25
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 9 Innings
0

Hitting Stats for Horace Helmbold and Joe Murray

Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
1
1
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
1
1
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
1
200
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
8
436.36
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
3
600
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 600 PA
11
600
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
3
600
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 600 PA
11
600
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.3
0.3
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.333
0.333
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
1
200
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
1
200
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
-0.17
-33.76
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
-1.46
-79.86
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
3
163.64
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
Joe Murray
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
3.67
3.67
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
1
54.55
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
1
200
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
1
200
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Horace Helmbold
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
100
100
Joe Murray
Career
Per 600 PA