Al Cicotte vs. Ken Forsch — Career Comparison

Al Cicotte
Silent GenerationMichiganThrows RightBats RightNorth AmericaSt. Louis CardinalsNational LeagueRelief Pitcher
Ken Forsch
Baby BoomersCaliforniaThrows RightBats RightNorth AmericaHouston AstrosAmerican LeagueStarting PitcherAll-Star

Ken Forsch built a career as a starting pitcher and Al Cicotte as a reliever — different jobs with different demands — but on the metrics that apply to both, a comparison is still worth making. Ken Forsch posted stronger surface numbers — ERA 3.37 and WHIP 1.281 compared to 4.36 and 1.562 for Al Cicotte. By the career numbers, Ken Forsch had the better of this cross-role comparison — though era context would sharpen the verdict.

Pitching Stats for Al Cicotte and Ken Forsch

Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
5
5
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
16
16
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
102
3.53
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
521
2.2
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
16
0.55
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
241
1.02
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
10
0.35
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
114
0.48
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
13
0.45
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 9 Innings
113
0.48
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
43.48
43.48
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
50.22
50.22
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
15.69
15.69
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
46.26
46.26
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
70
0.3
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
18
0.08
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
4
0.14
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
51
0.22
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
126
4.36
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
796
3.37
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
4.36
4.36
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
3.37
3.37
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
4.99
4.99
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
3.33
3.33
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
4.78
4.78
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
3.86
3.86
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
0.276
0.276
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0.257
0.257
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
780
27
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
6382
27
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
260
9
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
2127.1
9
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
280
9.69
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
2071
8.76
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
9.69
9.69
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
8.76
8.76
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
30
1.04
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
155
0.66
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
1.04
1.04
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0.66
0.66
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0.29
0.29
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 9 Innings
0.3
0.3
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
119
4.12
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
586
2.48
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
7
0.24
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 9 Innings
68
0.29
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
4.12
4.12
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
2.48
2.48
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
149
5.16
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
1047
4.43
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
5.16
5.16
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 9 Innings
4.43
4.43
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
1.46
1.46
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
2.01
2.01
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
1.031
1.031
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 9 Innings
0.768
0.768
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
11
0.38
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
43
0.18
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
5
0.17
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 9 Innings
47
0.2
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0
0
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 9 Innings
7
0.03
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
1138
39.39
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
8852
37.45
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
42
1.45
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
177
0.75
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
142
4.92
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
881
3.73
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
4.92
4.92
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
3.73
3.73
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0
0
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 9 Innings
90
0.38
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0
0
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 9 Innings
56
0.24
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
162
0.69
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
1.535
1.535
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
1.249
1.249
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
1014
35.1
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
8073
34.15
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
1.39
1.39
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 9 Innings
1.69
1.69
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
0.299
0.299
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0.279
0.279
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
39.39
39.39
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 9 Innings
37.45
37.45

Fielding Stats for Al Cicotte and Ken Forsch

Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
5
5
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
16
16
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
102
3.53
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
521
2.21
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
16
0.55
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
241
1.02
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
781
27
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
6379
27
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
260.1
9
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
2126.1
9
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
23
0.8
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
134
0.57
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
45
1.56
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
305
1.29
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
2
0.07
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 9 Innings
26
0.11
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
70
2.42
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
465
1.97
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Inningsverified
68
2.35
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Innings
439
1.86
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
97.14
97.14
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 9 Innings
94.41
94.41
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
0.667
0.667
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
0.843
0.843
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
15.69
15.69
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
46.26
46.26
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
1
0.03
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 9 Inningsverified
24
0.1
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 9 Innings
0
0

Hitting Stats for Al Cicotte and Ken Forsch

Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PA
5
5
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
16
16
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PAverified
104
854.79
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 600 PA
521
713.7
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PA
73
600
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 600 PA
438
600
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PAverified
71
583.56
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 600 PA
383
524.66
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.211
0.211
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 600 PA
0.136
0.136
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.473
0.473
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 600 PA
0.397
0.397
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PAverified
15
123.29
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 600 PA
52
71.23
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PAverified
13
106.85
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 600 PA
46
63.01
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PAverified
2
16.44
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 600 PA
6
8.22
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PAverified
2
16.44
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 600 PA
6
8.22
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.133
0.133
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 600 PA
0.115
0.115
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PAverified
2.96
24.37
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 600 PA
9.58
13.13
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PAverified
17
139.73
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 600 PA
58
79.45
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PAverified
16
131.51
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 600 PA
68
93.15
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.222
0.222
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 600 PA
0.17
0.17
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.239
0.239
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 600 PA
0.151
0.151
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.462
0.462
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 600 PA
0.322
0.322
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.028
0.028
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 600 PA
0.016
0.016
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.16
0.16
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 600 PA
0.115
0.115
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.305
0.305
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 600 PA
0.225
0.225
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.283
0.283
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 600 PA
0.236
0.236
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PAverified
3
24.66
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 600 PA
16
21.92
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PA
2
16.44
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
17
23.29
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PA
5
41.1
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
33
45.21
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
2.67
21.98
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 600 PA
2.06
2.82
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
1
8.22
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
16
21.92
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
18
147.95
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 600 PA
163
223.29
Al Cicotte
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
4.06
4.06
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 600 PA
2.69
2.69
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
0.1
0.1
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PA
1
8.22
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
39
53.42
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PA
3
24.66
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 600 PAverified
3
4.11
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
1
1.37
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Forsch
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PA
0
0
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
1
1.37
Al Cicotte
Career
Per 600 PA
Ken Forsch
Careerverified
Per 600 PAverified
100
100